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brodywms

Hey everyone, recently I posted about "how to go about creating the creamy white cabinet with glazed look" in a post titled "white cabinet glaze". I decided to go ahead and attempt this myself today on an old vanity cabinet door my father had lying around. I did one half of the door to kind of show a before and after effect and wanted to know your opinions on how you think I did on my first attempt, how you think it looks, and if you think my kitchen will look nice with the entire cabinetry like this. I will be updating the hardware as well. Thanks.

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brodywms's picture
brodywms

the paint is creamy white, but i had the glaze pre mixed at lowes for the effect, a darker chocolaty color...... they had some cabinets there that resembled exactly what i want to do, so the guy just color matched everything for me. my only problem was on how to apply the glaze, but i think im going to re attempt and try the things you just mentioned and see what the result is. thanks

dustbunnydiva's picture
dustbunnydiva

Off creamy white isn't what I would have gone for for the darker parts. Doesn't sound dark enough. What you can do is go get some burnt umber tint (in paint stores) or just buy a little can of burnt umber and mix it about 1 part to 3 parts plain glaze (or even try it in the pre-mixed stuff you have). If you have a latex glaze you can even water it down a bit so it will seep into the crevices.

If you look really closely at sample doors (in stores) the tint is very dark but applied lightly. It's how much glaze you mix it that makes for that lightly part as well as how much you wipe off later. If your glaze is too light you won't get enough contrast and it may just end up looking dirty instead of antiqued.

Yes you can use something else on the flat parts (even a roller) if you want to go faster and have a much lighter coat (because if you roll it on fast you can also start wiping sooner while the glaze is still wetter).

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brodywms

what do you think about me using the brush/q tip method just for the crevices and detail areas (trim, molding) and not using it on the flat parts. The color we are using is an off creamy white anyway, so i think this could be an option. any feed back?

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Wolfbaby

If it is yellowing the door too much and making it look yucky, I'm guessing you have the wrong colour.

Pick something about 8 shades darker and more of a blackened brown than a yellow and try that. It shouldn't be yellow at all for the look you are showing us.

It can also be quite successful to use more than one colour - a very very dark first, which will wipe back to just being in the deepest crevases and corners, then a lighter, more toned glaze which will feather out from the edges and give some depth to the effect.

Instead of glaze, try just watering down paint, especially for the deepest colour. Glaze tends to be quite translucent, and that isn't really the look you are going for here. Play with how much the paint is watered down to achieve the desired effect.

Don't try to be neat when you put it on - really crush those bristles in there. If you don't completely destry at least a couple of brushes you probaby need to pounce it in harder!

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dustbunnydiva

Oh yes, use a brush (and even a q-tip if you need to) to apply glaze. You'll never hit the low spots enough with a cloth.

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brodywms

yes very, the glaze was already pre mixed, so all i was doing was wiping on the glaze and wiping it right back off in sections, but it seemed to be yellowing the door too much, making it look yucky. I will use a brush and try....ive read a chip brush works well. thanks

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Wolfbaby

How are you putting the glaze on? A lot of people try to put it on with a cloth, and wipe it off with a cloth? Try putting the glaze on with an old paint brush, really sticking the bristles into all the crevices and cracks and putting a good thick coat in all the corners first, then painting it on the rest of the door.

Take a deep breath or 5 (depending on the humidity, temperature, viscosity of glaze, etc.) and gently, starting in the center flat spot, wipe.

Do corners and crevices (around the trim) last.

Is that different than what you have been trying?

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brodywms

love your mock up, looks exactly how we want our finished cabinets to turn out. I dabble a bit some more today to try and do as you suggested, and ive had no luck. :hairpull: i hope to soon figure this out. thanks again.

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dustbunnydiva

I think your sample photo isn't quite what you are aiming to achieve. I don't think you wiped enough away andyou need to be a little more precise (there are some higher spots where the stain wouldn't normally remain like flatter areas and some low areas where the glaze is not showing). YOu have to really look and consider the shape of the doors. For instance, your inner corner is cleared of glaze but that would be one spot where it should be one of the darkest areas.

I tried to do a mock up that is a bit exaggerated but shows what I mean compared to yours. Drop some tea or coffee on the door and see where it collects and you will see the low spots clearly or think of the areas that would get missed if you cleaned only with a flat sponge.

What I would do is use the glaze a number of times if need be. make sure it's in the grooves and detail areas that would naturally be darker. You will probably have to do it two or three times to get a good gradual build up vs trying to do it in one attempt. The game is to clear the higher flat areas and leave it going gradually darker in the low spots. That's what doing it in a few coats can get you.

The nice part about glaze is you can always so more coats so it's better to take off too much at first than not enough and being unable to take it off after it dries. Also work fast. Even if you have to do the doors in sections, do that vs having it too dry by the time you start to wipe. For a final finish, you might want to just get a cloth damp with the glaze and rub it over the areas you still want some of the shading, but more subtly. Again, practice helps. You can also change the glaze formula as you go so you start darker and then add more glaze to the mix so the colour is a bit lighter as you allow more glazed area to remain.

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macsmom

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Here are a couple of links that you might want to check out. I think you are on the right track. Just be careful with the base colour because as we have said before you don't want it to look dirty.

Good luck and have fun. When they are all done don't forget to post some pictures.

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brodywms

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brodywms

please keep in mind the look im trying to achieve. following what you are suggesting will give these cabinets a different look, and although that is a great look as well, this is simple not what we are looking for. I am familiar with what you are talking about though. Im attaching some images of what resembles exactly what im trying to replicate with my cabinets. thanks guys.
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Any tips of achieving this is more than appreciated.

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macsmom

I have to agree with Pearl Girl. i think you should try to distress the cabinets. It would give you a great look. If the cabinets that you are re-doing are not dark now you could always put a couple of coats of dark paint on first and then a coat or two of your final colour before doing some sanding. Remembering to sand a little more in the places were you would come into contact with the doors.
I think just painting then and then rubbing on a glaze will not give them enough depth. Sanding really will help you get the professional look but just remember to use a [U]very fine [/U] sandpaper.

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Pearl_girl

"You can start creamy and sand back and leave it at that... however, most pieces tend to have an added step... a tea-stain glaze afterward to 'dirty the piece up a bit.'

My suggestion would be to use RL - Edwardian Linen in Satin. Sand the piece prior to painting to allow for some extra tooth. When the paint is in the drying phase and has 'just' dried to the touch, lightly sand any areas that have obvious brush marks. Sanding at this time really creates a smooth finish. This is not the time to sand back and reveal the stain, this is just the point where you can get rid of some of the obvious brush marks.

Let dry for several hours and do touch ups as required. Once you are satisfied with the coverage and it has dried sand away to distress. But work with a soft hand, you don't want to sand down to bare wood.

Use a tack cloth to clean off the paint dust and if you choose, you can stop here, give a fine sand with some ultra fine steel wool. Or if you want an added patina, brush on Tea Stain Glaze also from Ralph Lauren and wipe back. The stain glaze will gather in the nooks and crannies and give a further antiqued look to the piece. It will also seal everything in and give added protection to the piece."

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brodywms

thanks, i appreciate all the help/ support. So, you said shadowing effect...am i doing this right then? lol a little confused. In the pic above, its my first time attempting this project, but the second attempt at the glaze. the first attempt i didnt wipe the glaze off the flat face soon enough and it was way too dark and DID look dirty. 2nd time around my wife and i are pretty pleased with the overall look.

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donnasinc

I love to see people learning techniques such as this. I did our kitchen island this way and it is really smart to practice practice practice until you start to understand how to apply your glaze and keep the look subtle yet obvious. I had to do several tries before I could get that effect. Looks to me like you are on the right track. You want to maintain a shadowing effect.

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brodywms

just to make sure im doing this correctly, do you apply the glaze to the flat door faces as well, and then wipe off with damp cloth. That is what ive been reading and did on the door above. Does it look too dirty or is it good enough to look more updated and lively. thanks

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macsmom

Home Depot has good selection of trim like this. Your sample door is coming along. You want to make sure that you don't use too much glaze as you don't want it to look dirty. i would certainly keep practising until you have it the way you want it. Don't forget to fill the holes if you are changing the hardware to a different style. All in all i think you are well on your way to a great DIY project, one that you can be proud of. Keep posting pictures.

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brodywms

pearl girl thanks for your reply, love those cabinets in the photo you attached, but what im looking for is toned down a bit and more taupe looking, like in this pic. also can someone please recommend a place to get the rope cabinet trim for the cabinet faces? i searched google and cant find it. thanks
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Pearl_girl

Your attempt is coming along. Is it shabby chic distressed you are looking for or the darker glaze like in the photo? :)

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