Hi I wanted to refinish my hardwood floors .There is carpet on them now with old 50"s tile on top of the hard wood. It is located in the living room.I see the layers when I lift up the cold air return vent in the floor. The hard wood is at least 4inches wide is also3/4 thick,but I relize there isn't any sub- floor.
When I go down into the basement and look up (it is exsposed) I see the floor.
What do I do? I can't tell at this time if there is any age spacing between the floor boards.That if I refinished, I would see the light of day through from down stairs.
Is "just " this floor strong enough? What am I really looking at? Is this really a hard wood floor ? A friend who said he played with the kids who lived here when he was little said way back when all he remember was all hard wood floors through out the whole house. I'm scared,should I just forget about it all together? :hairpull:
Petal
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Hi Petal -
My husband and I just moved into a new home - built in 1930 just like DBD's. First thing we did before we moved in was pull up all the carpet and refinished the floors throughout the home. We have oak on the main and fir on the stairs going to the second floor and fir throughout the upstairs.
If you do find you have fir - one note of caution - it is VERY, VERY soft!! We have been in the house for just a couple of weeks and we have already managed to put scratches/dents in the floor. Our small dog (****zu) has marked up the floor and I put a small hole in the floor with a screw (don't ask).
On the main floor, we have floorboards underneath the oak. We had to replace a section and we could see through the gaps from the basement to the main floor when the hardwood was removed!
Don't get me wrong - the floors are stunning and well worth the effort/$$ that it takes to get refinished (we hired someone). We stained the floors dark walnut and the fir is absolutely stunning - our flooring company said not to stain them dark but we did and they turned out perfectly. We are in the process of getting area rugs and a stair runner installed ASAP - we want to avoid any further damage to the fir. Perhaps this weekend I'll post a pic of the completed floors (have never done that before). Good luck!
my house was built in 1923, and when we looked in the basement, we could see the hardwood planks - although after reading dbd's post, it may well have been fir; when we looked in the basement (the under-floor is exposed as the basement has never been finished) there are screws every 8 to 10 inches, so we know that there is no hope of finishng it back to original. We also had tile laid over it (and goodnss knows what else under that !) so we just laid laminate on top and it looks really good!
Have fun whatever you decide to do !
PS there are pics of my house on the MSN album
My old house was built in 1930, not quite as old as the one you are dealing with. It was a nice little bungalow that had some craftsman type features but a pretty basic house.
It was all plaster, wood floors like you described with oak in the main areas and all the houses in the area were similar. None had insulation except in the roofs so a lot of people either had it blown in (little holes made in the exterior) or added more when the took outer walls down. Some plaster just wasn't good enough to keep.
In my house I left it as I didn't find it cold at all and I could fix the plaster that had problems using those screws and tape and filler I mentioned in another post. The biggest problem was taking off old wallpaper, lifting old flooring, and basically getting the house back to where it started. I lifted the vinyl but left the sheet lino down and just covered it (where my neighbour removed hers altogether). Pulling up old vinyl tiles in my house was a nightmare until someone told me to get an old iron out and heat them up as I went. They came off like butter then.
Almost everyone I knew who removed wallpaper had to deal with plaster issues. It seemed the paper was holding the walls together in some cases. I repaired as mine could be saved, other people just knocked it down and put up drywall instead. I think a lot depended on the conditions and the skill level/pocketbook of the owner.
I didn't have to do any stripping as whoever had lived in that house had never painted the wood (the main reason I bought that house over others) so didn't have to deal with that or the worry of lead. All wood was finished with shellac at the time so I learned to use that to fix any dings in the wood and have come to love shellac and the way it looks. It's way easier to use that to fix wood than to strip and refinish that old wood if you have original wood showing. Of course it really depends on what previous owners have done.
I didn't do much kitchen reno like some (who gutted and replaced). I did more facelift type things like pulling up the old formic and getting copper, adding trim to the old wood cabinets and painting them to look distressed. After a while I just adopted an attitude of not making things look new, just adding more character really and I liked it that way. More true to the era of the house and cheaper for me to tackle.
What I can tell you is it is good to talk to your neighbours as many have probably already tackled some things you may run into. Also take trips to the library and hunt down the books particularly if they deal with Canada or northern climates. Those books that talk about Calif. type houses are often not very helpful as warm climate homes were built differently.
I can't think of much else specific. There were so many little jobs and things that had to be done. Ask away if you think of anything because there are others who have taken on old houses and can offer up tips and tricks.
Thanks Dustbunnydiva, I hadn't even gotten to the point of what type of wood it may be .And if it is fir ,well :) "I love the look of fir.Even have a beautiful live one in my back yard.My I ask how old was (is) your old house? What style? And what did you decide to do when you removed the lino?
Maybe you have already done some things I'm just about to start.
Thanks Petal
Is that is the floor and it could well be fir rather than a hardwood. It sounds just like the 'subfloor' in my old house. It had lino in some places, oak in LR/dR, and the fir everywhere else.
That said, one of the neighbours was having her oak redone and decided to pull up the old lino in the kitchen (she had it tested and no aspestos). The flooring guys thought she was a little nuts, but she had them refinish those old fir boards. That floor is stunning. Even the flooring guys were impressed when they finished. It's the hit of her house.
So, see what you can do about that old tile if you want to use the original floor. If it is fir, it will be much softer wood than oak which means more coatings of varathane. Otherwise you can use it as a subfloor and add some new flooring.
Hi Petal....sorry your home is giving you so much grief. :(
if your old flooring contains asbestos it can be removed by a professional...I don't know what the cost would be for that however. My understanding is that with the old flooring ... as long as they are in good shape ... not broken so the asbestos particles can escape ... they should be safe and you can just install your new flooring over top.
good luck
2blues
Hi I made some calls and I was told houses that old "that ,That was the floor" and not to worry about the strength. I can insulate from under neath with expanding foam.But untill I pull up the carpet and the tile I'l never know . Checked out told tile search pattern and was told the tile are espestas(wrong spelling) and I should not lift them . May be I should give up ! :hairpull:
Petal
Before you make any decisions to start ripping the floor, ask a professional to come and take a look at it first. :)
i think the wood you are seeing there may be the subfloor....