okay so everyone knows about my 80's oak kitchen in my 150 year old house and how I refinished the pine floors in the kitchen and was hoping to paint out or reface the cabinets with a white or antique white...remember.....okay well the kitchen guy came last night....one of many.....here's my problem....my kitchen was custom done 20 years ago...very expensive because the bases, the molding and the doors are SOLID wood...Maple boxes and shelving with solid oak doors.......I would have to custom make what I have today as far as the thickness and the finishing on the inside of the cabinets....probably around $40,000 to gut and rebuild........but I want to change the doors....I am happy with the boxes and feel it is unnecessary to do a total gut...waste of money, time and inconvience to name a few.....so here's the real problem...refacing is done with thermofoil , mdf or laminate....I am not too happy with adding that to the wood bases....I think I would cheapen the kitchen and for re-sale one would "see and know" the cabinets were refaced......however I found a guy who only does wood refacing..he is a cabinet maker from Italy.....but it is .....double the price...about $13,000 by the time I am done but everything will be wood..all doors replaced, new crown molding, some glass doors, extra carpentry and wine rack and re-building all my 13 drawers so they have the new easy close feature.....for re-sale this is great as well as the option to re-stain at any time......so now the problem with wood....I really can't stain it that white look per se....you will still see the grain....so would a clear stain on maple work in my farm kitchen with my pine hardwood floors?..remember my kitchen at the last house....I had maple.. see picture......hopefully someone can help me...its almost like my farmhouse kitchen will look like my old kitchen but with pine hardwood floors.......I thought I was going in the white direction ( see inspiration picture) and now I am thinking light maple....or is this too much wood....I am willing to change the counters.... :hairpull: please help.....somebody....it takes 8 weeks from ordering....6 days of install and I want it done by the end of June for a big party we are having....
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I agree.....I think I will do that but in the reverse...just paint out the island and leave the rest of the cabinets wood...and I have already ordered those upper box cabinets with the glass...so I am on the right track...yippee...thanks smoodgie........ :D
I found this kitchen on Rate My Space -- I think this would work in your kitchen:
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I choose #3, your cabinets look beautiful the way they are. If you want to change the look of your kitchen, what about new counter tops. Maybe something more contrasting, something dark. Then you might want to change your hardware to an oil rubbed bronze finish. Don't waste your money on new cabinet doors!
I'm glad you liked them. They do seem to be kitchens that would suit your house and also give a good idea that all kitchens don't have to look sleek and modern or new to really be impressive and functional. I think just seeing how nice they can be is really inspirational and I am seriously rethinking of the finish I put on my doors when I finally do them to something that looks more aged since I saw those pictures.
trynto...sounds like you're onto something really nice for your kitchen. Can't wait to see it finished.
lola...thank you....
in fact I ordered new maple wood doors with trim work condusive to an old shaker style in a pecan stain....new crown molding...added additional cabinentry above the existing cabinets with 10 inch glass ...see inspiration picture....new undercabinet molding, drawers being rebuilt so they close with ease, a wine rack ...square mission style ...and will paint the island a grey/black....I hope to change the counters to butcher block (on the island)and soapstone ( black) on the other counters.....then change the lighting and get new hardware .....can't wait....the new doors/drawers will be ready by the first week of june....I will keep everyone updated....thank you
It'd be a HUGE mistake to replace solid wood cabinet doors with any synthetic materials. Not only would it cheapen the look of the kitchen but it wouldn't be in keeping with the farmhouse style. I'd suggest adding trimwork to your existing doors and bases to "dress them up". Beef up the upper crown moulding and paint them it all out a creamy white. You could stain the island a dark brown for variety just be sure to use wood trim pieces.
It'd be truly a shame to see thermofoil/melamine/plastic cabs in a home such as yours. Work with the bones you have and build on them. Spend the money on stone counters instead.
DBD...you are the BEST!...I LOVE kitchen #3 and #4 with the wood cabinets mixed with hardwood floors and a greyish/black island...I am so doing that!...I have decided that the island will definately be painted and then rubbed back to give the old look......also the mix of the black wall oven with some stainless is just like my kitchen.. and I love the stools and the lighting too.....THANK YOU SO MUCH....it is so hard to explain to others the look I want.......I don't want my kitchen to look new but I would like it to be functional and period looking to some extent but not overkill..................thank you again!!! :bliss:
Hey trynto, I was over at the old house forums and someone posted this site. [url]http://www.davidtsmith.com/newsite/home.asp[/url]
Take a look at the home page as they have a series of pictures of kitchens that pop up. Some have wood toned cabinets, some are painted. it might give you some more ideas.
What really impresses me is these are all brand new kitchens although you'd never know it on fist glance and and and... click on the pictures which show the whole project and see what they do to fridges and dishwashers. I love these kitchens with those appliances so nicely taken care of.
It definitely doesn't matter if the wood in the kitchen isn't the same as the wood in the great room. In fact, I think it's better that way :) I was reading the April issue of Style At Home yesterday, and there was a comment from a designer about mixing woods in a room. He said that of course you can mix woods -- just look at nature!! All the trees in the forest are different species and different colours, and they all look great together :)
Of course, you wouldn't want twelve different woods in a space, but I think up to three or four different woods would work fine.
yes smoodgie....I was thinking of Lee Valley for the hardware...exactly like the first link you posted.....great minds think alike...thanks....and yes the cabinet maker mentioned that he can add the glass for now or leave them out and I can source out some stain glass....I think with some red in the glass and finding similar lighting as the inspiration would look great......
DBD...yes the wood may be too much....but I think my copper tin ceiling would work or I was thinking of adding beadboard to the ceiling...painting it out a deep color and adding beams... either way I am definately covering the stark white popcorn ceiling.....
janinvan...the cabinet maker had some maple doors and it looked awesome with my floors...my only concern was that the great room has the reddish floors, trim and ceiling....and I am wondering how consistent I should keep all the rooms...does it matter if you kitchen has different wood from a great room? that was my only reservation.....
on a side note......I was so impressed with my cabinet guy....he sent me the quote yesterday and attached a list with phone numbers of 25 clients that he has done work for in the past 2 years....and told me I could call any of them to discuss his work.....wow.....I know from the photo album he showed me some great kitchens but the fact that I can go to see any of these homes in person is fantastic............guess I will have to do the same should I become one of his clients....LOL...
Can you borrow a couple of natural maple door from the cabinet guy & take pictures with your floor. I think it will work especially after seeing your inspiration picture.
BTW...I was just watching TLC...little people...check out their kitchen....hardwood floors similar to mine with light maple shaker cabinets and cream granite....and the beams in the room......make it feel rustic yet new.....
Funny, I noticed their kitchen tonight too and wondered if you saw it.
About your ceilings. If they are only 9' beams might be a bit much. I like your original idea of a tin ceiling. You can see the real deal at [url]http://www.mbossinc.com[/url] which most Can. stores apparently order from. Also those plastic ones (carried at places like HD) [url]http://acpideas.com[/url]
Some options from Lee Valley....
[url]http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=49257&cat=3,46742,46561&ap=5[/url]
[url]http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=48591&cat=3,46742,46561&ap=6[/url]
[url]http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=46299&cat=3,46742,46561&ap=6[/url]
[url]http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=52447&cat=3,46742,46561&ap=4[/url]
[url]http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=55177&cat=3,46742,46561&ap=2[/url]
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Can you add timber beams to your ceiling to replicate the look of the ceiling in the inspiration picture?? I thnk that would really help with giving your kitchen the rustic look you want.
The small upper cabinet doors with the glass are really nice. Will you use clear glass or stained glass in yours?? What about that textured glass -- seeded, I thnk it's called.
The red light fixtures do add a nice warmth and touch of colour. You could also use some red glass in those top cabinets.
What kind of cabinet hardware do you have in mind?? That's another way you can add a rustic touch to the kitchen. What about an oil-rubbed bronze or brushed copper finish?? You should check Lee Valley to see what they have. Home Depot might even have some nice options.
fp...this old house has seen my floors last year....and they were very helpful ....wouldn't hurt to ask them....good idea....
smoodgie...my ceiling is only 9 feet.....BUT....I can mimic the wood to some extent........yes...no..? I also like the island light with the red....it adds a nice touch with all the wood elements.......I am starting to get excited....I think I can do the rustic shaker maple with my old floors...I got the beadboard already....the cabinet guy has agreed that he can make those box-like cabinets with the glass.... like in the picture for my kitchen...I just need to pick some vintage hardware and I may have myself a decent kitchen......only time will tell...
BTW...I was just watching TLC...little people...check out their kitchen....hardwood floors similar to mine with light maple shaker cabinets and cream granite....and the beams in the room......make it feel rustic yet new.....
anybody else still with an opinion?...come...on...over 500 views....and only a few dozen posts......I can take it...really....... :D ....this is a big expensive decision...I really need to consider all options and ideas.....
Have you thought of e-mailing this Old House and getting their opinions?
Just a thought but might be worthwhile.
What kind of furnishings are you thinking of? Can't wait to see more pics.
Why don't you take a poll. Taht would be a lark :)
Flowerpot.
I really like the kitchen in the last picture you posted, trynto.
Can you post a couple more pics of your kitchen that show the entire height of the room??
If that is the kitchen you love, go with it and nevermind people like me who aren't into maple.
What you might want to consider if you do glass doors is putting some colour in them with either stained glass or coloured glass panels. One reno some friends did had those little glass doors up top and they did them in a dark rusty brown glass and had lights built in (switch on the wall). They were really nice when on and added a new dimension to the cupboards and gave the kitchen a nice ambiance at night when they were all that was on.
oh and I like those additional glass cabinet boxes.........
okay GTG to the school now and work the lunch recess.......bye for now..
I love this kitchen....anyone think this is doable in mine?...it has the light shaker maple cabinets with the red pine floors.....
a professional opinion....thank you... :clapping:
I do worry about the kitchen coming off too dark even though I have cloud white beadboard on all the walls and the light pine floors...the kitchen is bigger than the picture shows...there is another big wall with a large pantry, cookbook shelf, microwave and wall oven ....I have 23 doors and 14 drawers......
I am thinking about replacing the doors with maple and refacing the faceframe and sides of the cabinets with the matching maple.......and then painting or staining the island a dark brown/black....my problem is....do I pick natural maple to keep the kitchen bright and to contrast with the red pine floors?.....
the cabinet maker just confirmed his quote....it is much less than originally thought...which is good....$10,000 for all wood compared to $7000 for laminate and theromfoil........he has many stain choices but he doesn't like painting wood...LOL........go figure.......who can blame him...his trade is working with wood..........
oh I am getting to closer to my decision...
any other takers?
IMPO...Your kitchen is very dark and painting the cabinets is not a bad idea. As a Cabinetmaker myself, I have resurfaced/repainting many older kitchens.
I would recommend approaching some custom kitchen companies and asking if they would refinish you doors, crown and light valance. Since you have faceframe cabinet, I would pick out a paint that you like (off-white would be warmer) and have the kitchen company match the paint colour you picked in lacquer. Then they lacquer your components and you paint out the frames and gables. You don't have a very large kitchen (judging by the initial pics) so this shouldn't be that difficult or pricey. You could also have the company add beaded panels to the island and any end gables.
I have done this many times for clients and the result is perfect. If a kitchen person says you can't do that, they are basically saying they don't want to.
It would be a much cheeper option than total refacing.
Hope my 2 cents help with the decision.
You friendly Cabinetmaker, Geoff
oh dbd...you are a monkey!!....of course I love the green and black!!!!
I thought I'd try some mock ups to see if it will help you at least with picking stain or paint. I tried to match a picture you posted of your family room floor, a light maple, and with paint. These are far from accurate, but maybe it will help.
I agree with Janet...I think your kitchen looks just fine,maybe changing the island colour is all that is needed to give the change you want. :)
im certainly not going to be much help...i like your kitchen as is,,,,,i could picture the cabinets staying as is and changing the color of the island....sorry i told you im not much help.....however, i feel for you, its frustrating sometimes to make such huge decisions..........good luck, im sure you will come to a decision that you are pleased with.
smiles
janetc
thanks...I knew I could count on you guys to give my head a shake.....I am going to stop thinking about it for a few days.... :) .........anymore suggestions will be seriously considered...........!!!!!! :)
You seem unsure of what you want so I would do nothing until you are really gung ho on something.
The nice weather is around the corner and you have that beautiful backyard to enjoy so why not put everything on the back burner till at least the fall and maybe by then you willl be more sure of which direction to go.
If it were my house i would leave it because even though I know what you are saying about the oak being dated, it still looks rich and like a quiality kitchen.
why isn't there an option to use the oak but change the hinges and add trim etc.?
Maybe you need to do some more thinking. Until you decide whether you like wood or paint you may have a tough time deciding on anything. It's unfortunate you have custom sizes there but maybe you could get some sample doors to bring home so you could see if you like various woods/stains or paint.
Whatever you do thermofoil or MDF will look like it doesn't belong in that house so if you can afford better don't even look at it.
[I]"my worry is that I am painting real wood and what happens when that "trend" in a few years looks like I was trying to make a new kitchen look old....secondly I have the character of the old pine floors and white beadboard on all of the walls along with the high baseboards....I also plan to add a tin, copper or tongue/n groove to the ceiling and an apron sink....so I have many vintage elements...do I really have to paint the cabinets too?"
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Don't worry about painting real wood. It's done all the time and can be reversed (there is nothing antique or anything else to worry about when it comes to the existing doors). Much better to reuse than use man made products if you are considering the environment at all. So take that out of the equation. You can paint or glaze or restain those cupboards if you want. YOu can get new custom doors if you want just as long as they are what you want.
Don't worry about trends. Key in on what [I]you[/I] want in [I]your[/I] house and hopefully it's something that works with the house because you do have a special house vs a mass produced new one there (but again, you don' t even have to really worry about that, that is just something someone like me who loves old houses is going to try and sway you towards).
So, relax and really consider what you original vision was and whether it still holds or not. Try and get over the confusion before you make any decisions.